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	<description>Making the baby Jesus cry since 2002.</description>
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		<title>By: Being Amber Rhea &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Top 10 blog topics of 2008</title>
		<link>http://www.beingamberrhea.com/2008/10/09/bussish/#comment-33983</link>
		<dc:creator>Being Amber Rhea &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Top 10 blog topics of 2008</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Dec 2008 04:22:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] the significance, blaming the victim, saying &#8220;nuh-uh!&#8221; - all the usual Bingo squares. C&#8217;est la vie, right women [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Being Amber Rhea &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Broken record 2.0</title>
		<link>http://www.beingamberrhea.com/2008/10/09/bussish/#comment-32889</link>
		<dc:creator>Being Amber Rhea &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Broken record 2.0</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Oct 2008 18:03:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] That&#8217;s how real shifts in perspective happen - getting outside the echo chamber (a term I don&#8217;t like, but I&#8217;m writing this quickly), engaging with people and presenting them with viewpoints they [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] That&#8217;s how real shifts in perspective happen - getting outside the echo chamber (a term I don&#8217;t like, but I&#8217;m writing this quickly), engaging with people and presenting them with viewpoints they [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Aspasia</title>
		<link>http://www.beingamberrhea.com/2008/10/09/bussish/#comment-32699</link>
		<dc:creator>Aspasia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Oct 2008 15:37:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Ren: "(my god I sound like “House”…)"

Dude, you &lt;i&gt;are&lt;/i&gt; House.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Ren: &#8220;(my god I sound like “House”…)&#8221;</p>
<p>Dude, you <i>are</i> House.</p>
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		<title>By: Amber</title>
		<link>http://www.beingamberrhea.com/2008/10/09/bussish/#comment-32684</link>
		<dc:creator>Amber</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Oct 2008 03:00:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don't like confrontation either.

I understand your intent now. I hope you, as well, understand how and why impact can overshadow intent (esp. when the intent is not clear) with things a member of a marginalized group hears over and over.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t like confrontation either.</p>
<p>I understand your intent now. I hope you, as well, understand how and why impact can overshadow intent (esp. when the intent is not clear) with things a member of a marginalized group hears over and over.</p>
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		<title>By: Nobilis</title>
		<link>http://www.beingamberrhea.com/2008/10/09/bussish/#comment-32682</link>
		<dc:creator>Nobilis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Oct 2008 22:31:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;The issue is how women get painted as either “the angry feminist” or “oh you’re so cute when you’re angry.”&lt;/i&gt;

I don't think you understand what I'm saying.

I'm not responding to the entire post.  I'm responding to the scene in the XXBN chatroom.  I don't know about actually came across, but what I meant to express at the time was that I perceive you as someone who is capable of expressing anger, and does so.

...

&lt;i&gt;blink, blink&lt;/i&gt;

Okay, now wait.  Wait, wait...

Right here as I'm typing this, I'm going over what I posted in the chatroom...

&lt;i&gt;“Amber? Angry? Naaaaah…”  :)&lt;/i&gt;

... and looking at it from the point of view of someone who feels ridiculed when she's angry...  and it looks like I'm ridiculing someone's anger.

Then, when I missed your response (and I really did miss it) it made it seem even worse.

The smiley was NOT there as an intent to ridicule.  It was simply an attempt to signal sarcasm... a hamfisted one.  If I had seen your response, I could have clarified, but I didn't.

Boiled down, with the sarcasm skimmed off the top, what I meant was:

"Amber gets angry."

Embedding it in what I thought was humor was insensitive, but I don't like confrontation and I'd rather make a lame joke than see people get angry and start shouting.

I guess I don't like confrontation.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>The issue is how women get painted as either “the angry feminist” or “oh you’re so cute when you’re angry.”</i></p>
<p>I don&#8217;t think you understand what I&#8217;m saying.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not responding to the entire post.  I&#8217;m responding to the scene in the XXBN chatroom.  I don&#8217;t know about actually came across, but what I meant to express at the time was that I perceive you as someone who is capable of expressing anger, and does so.</p>
<p>&#8230;</p>
<p><i>blink, blink</i></p>
<p>Okay, now wait.  Wait, wait&#8230;</p>
<p>Right here as I&#8217;m typing this, I&#8217;m going over what I posted in the chatroom&#8230;</p>
<p><i>“Amber? Angry? Naaaaah…”  :)</i></p>
<p>&#8230; and looking at it from the point of view of someone who feels ridiculed when she&#8217;s angry&#8230;  and it looks like I&#8217;m ridiculing someone&#8217;s anger.</p>
<p>Then, when I missed your response (and I really did miss it) it made it seem even worse.</p>
<p>The smiley was NOT there as an intent to ridicule.  It was simply an attempt to signal sarcasm&#8230; a hamfisted one.  If I had seen your response, I could have clarified, but I didn&#8217;t.</p>
<p>Boiled down, with the sarcasm skimmed off the top, what I meant was:</p>
<p>&#8220;Amber gets angry.&#8221;</p>
<p>Embedding it in what I thought was humor was insensitive, but I don&#8217;t like confrontation and I&#8217;d rather make a lame joke than see people get angry and start shouting.</p>
<p>I guess I don&#8217;t like confrontation.</p>
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		<title>By: Amber</title>
		<link>http://www.beingamberrhea.com/2008/10/09/bussish/#comment-32678</link>
		<dc:creator>Amber</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Oct 2008 17:40:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nobilis,
I really don't know what do say. If you read my entire post and still don't "get it" then I don't know what more I can say. I am truly at a loss.

Re: your question in the last paragraph, honestly I don't even really understand it. I mean, it's the entirely wrong question. Sure, people get angry about things they don't like. That's not the issue. The issue is how women get painted as either "the angry feminist" or "oh you're so cute when you're angry." Either way demeans the woman in question and reduces the issue that we're talking about to something that can be dismissed. It's a way of not listening.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nobilis,<br />
I really don&#8217;t know what do say. If you read my entire post and still don&#8217;t &#8220;get it&#8221; then I don&#8217;t know what more I can say. I am truly at a loss.</p>
<p>Re: your question in the last paragraph, honestly I don&#8217;t even really understand it. I mean, it&#8217;s the entirely wrong question. Sure, people get angry about things they don&#8217;t like. That&#8217;s not the issue. The issue is how women get painted as either &#8220;the angry feminist&#8221; or &#8220;oh you&#8217;re so cute when you&#8217;re angry.&#8221; Either way demeans the woman in question and reduces the issue that we&#8217;re talking about to something that can be dismissed. It&#8217;s a way of not listening.</p>
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		<title>By: Nobilis</title>
		<link>http://www.beingamberrhea.com/2008/10/09/bussish/#comment-32676</link>
		<dc:creator>Nobilis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Oct 2008 16:50:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If I didn't respond to your comment on the chatroom that you weren't angry, it may be because I missed it or because the interview was moving ahead and there were other things to comment on or listen to.

With regard to being perceived as angry or not, I'm not sure I can honestly apologize or even amend my perceptions.  I *do* see you as angry sometimes but then again I've only been in your presence in-person a few times, for a few hours, and the pure text medium of chat/blog/whatever is notorious for impeding clear expressions of emotion.

When I am outspoken about something I doesn't like, I am usually angry about it.  It takes a bit of emotional investment to overcome my natural reticence to speak out.  As a result, I assume that anyone, male or female, who is outspoken about something they don't like is likewise angry.  Is this a generally accurate assumption?  I have no idea, but it's buried deeply enough in my subconscious that I don't know what I would do to dig it out.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If I didn&#8217;t respond to your comment on the chatroom that you weren&#8217;t angry, it may be because I missed it or because the interview was moving ahead and there were other things to comment on or listen to.</p>
<p>With regard to being perceived as angry or not, I&#8217;m not sure I can honestly apologize or even amend my perceptions.  I *do* see you as angry sometimes but then again I&#8217;ve only been in your presence in-person a few times, for a few hours, and the pure text medium of chat/blog/whatever is notorious for impeding clear expressions of emotion.</p>
<p>When I am outspoken about something I doesn&#8217;t like, I am usually angry about it.  It takes a bit of emotional investment to overcome my natural reticence to speak out.  As a result, I assume that anyone, male or female, who is outspoken about something they don&#8217;t like is likewise angry.  Is this a generally accurate assumption?  I have no idea, but it&#8217;s buried deeply enough in my subconscious that I don&#8217;t know what I would do to dig it out.</p>
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		<title>By: RenegadeEvolution</title>
		<link>http://www.beingamberrhea.com/2008/10/09/bussish/#comment-32672</link>
		<dc:creator>RenegadeEvolution</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Oct 2008 11:59:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I'm angry as hell and I don't give a fuck if people have a problem with it.  If they weren't such morons, there would be no problem.

(my god I sound like "House"...)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m angry as hell and I don&#8217;t give a fuck if people have a problem with it.  If they weren&#8217;t such morons, there would be no problem.</p>
<p>(my god I sound like &#8220;House&#8221;&#8230;)</p>
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		<title>By: jt</title>
		<link>http://www.beingamberrhea.com/2008/10/09/bussish/#comment-32668</link>
		<dc:creator>jt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Oct 2008 03:22:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I started to comment and actually typed, "Wasn't having my own blog supposed to &lt;em&gt;prevent&lt;/em&gt; me from usurping yours?"  Indeed. Now I have another post in draft form...

The general gist of which is, WORD.

I relate to so much of this, but in different scenarios, and I feel like this is kind of the crux of my new paradigm shift. 

For me it's about constantly being told that I'm wrong / irrelevant / ridiculous. While I've cognitively known that's bullshit, I've still punished / blamed myself for it.  I've finally started to figure out how to turn the toxicity, appropriately, outward instead of inward. I'm working on it...and I'll stop there and try to pick it up in my own space soon.

((((()))))</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I started to comment and actually typed, &#8220;Wasn&#8217;t having my own blog supposed to <em>prevent</em> me from usurping yours?&#8221;  Indeed. Now I have another post in draft form&#8230;</p>
<p>The general gist of which is, WORD.</p>
<p>I relate to so much of this, but in different scenarios, and I feel like this is kind of the crux of my new paradigm shift. </p>
<p>For me it&#8217;s about constantly being told that I&#8217;m wrong / irrelevant / ridiculous. While I&#8217;ve cognitively known that&#8217;s bullshit, I&#8217;ve still punished / blamed myself for it.  I&#8217;ve finally started to figure out how to turn the toxicity, appropriately, outward instead of inward. I&#8217;m working on it&#8230;and I&#8217;ll stop there and try to pick it up in my own space soon.</p>
<p>((((()))))</p>
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		<title>By: Roger Penguino</title>
		<link>http://www.beingamberrhea.com/2008/10/09/bussish/#comment-32667</link>
		<dc:creator>Roger Penguino</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Oct 2008 00:36:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sometimes all we can hope for is that some of our actions or words will someday reach someone in a way that they will finally understand, gain perspective. Your words ring so true and continually give me perspectives on understanding and enhance solidarity. For me  all these micro-activist moments are in agregate some form of so called civil disobedienece, getting people to wake up and realize it's a dialogue about human rights. Some so called friends who are themselves purveyers of toxic perspectives and attitudes need more examples and dialogue to understand those things you mention are rights everyone should have not just the majority or those that follow prescribed behaviors. Anyway, just wanted to thank you and encourage you for sharing. Been following for a while and this post was very intimate and touching. Makes me want and act more forcefully in helping people become more flexible in their perspective taking.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sometimes all we can hope for is that some of our actions or words will someday reach someone in a way that they will finally understand, gain perspective. Your words ring so true and continually give me perspectives on understanding and enhance solidarity. For me  all these micro-activist moments are in agregate some form of so called civil disobedienece, getting people to wake up and realize it&#8217;s a dialogue about human rights. Some so called friends who are themselves purveyers of toxic perspectives and attitudes need more examples and dialogue to understand those things you mention are rights everyone should have not just the majority or those that follow prescribed behaviors. Anyway, just wanted to thank you and encourage you for sharing. Been following for a while and this post was very intimate and touching. Makes me want and act more forcefully in helping people become more flexible in their perspective taking.</p>
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